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		<title>By: wendyb</title>
		<link>http://wordsfornerds.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/where-are-all-the-techies/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>wendyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post laura! when i start beating myself up about not being techie enough all i have to do is look around at most of our classmates and realize that I am doing okay. 

 I don&#039;t consider myself a techie. I don&#039;t function well with the details of doing code but I think that curiosity is really important. On my database management notebook I wrote down this somewhat cliche phrase that I read on lifehack . &quot;I wonder how that works.&quot; Really isn&#039;t that it? Even if class taught us more xml, css, sql, it would be up to us to play and make and break things on our own. 

a library student friend of mine always says that he is happy when he hears about people like your &quot;never used email&quot; student. More jobs for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post laura! when i start beating myself up about not being techie enough all i have to do is look around at most of our classmates and realize that I am doing okay. </p>
<p> I don&#8217;t consider myself a techie. I don&#8217;t function well with the details of doing code but I think that curiosity is really important. On my database management notebook I wrote down this somewhat cliche phrase that I read on lifehack . &#8220;I wonder how that works.&#8221; Really isn&#8217;t that it? Even if class taught us more xml, css, sql, it would be up to us to play and make and break things on our own. </p>
<p>a library student friend of mine always says that he is happy when he hears about people like your &#8220;never used email&#8221; student. More jobs for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dwiggins</title>
		<link>http://wordsfornerds.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/where-are-all-the-techies/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Dwiggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got around to reading this post... Preach on!  I think we&#039;re making a good effort at Simmons, but ultimately you&#039;re right that 488 (at least the way it&#039;s taught by some profs) can turn into a remedial class, not something that&#039;s really going to teach anyone to push the technology envelope. 

At one point Candy and I sat down and brainstormed a list of &quot;techie skills librarians should know something about.&quot; It was a long list (and could probably be pared down.) But it pointed to the number of things we don&#039;t cover in a systematic way.

I think if you&#039;re motivated you can get a pretty good technology background at Simmons -- it&#039;s just that not everyone is that motivated. Some people still come to library school (and I include my compatriots in the Archives program) with nostalgic visions of a computerless world --  they have dreams of living a monastic life amidst books and documents. But the fact is that to do a good job in today&#039;s library world, you have to be good at tehcnology. (Just like you have to be good at dealing with people, managing conflict and change, etc.)

I also think you&#039;re right about the ALA. For better or worse, I think it tends to have a very &quot;public library, frontline service&quot; approach that doesn&#039;t emphasize systems management as a key part of librarianship. Sure banned books and freedom to read are important, but so is making sure librarians can still provide access to information when more and more of it is digital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got around to reading this post&#8230; Preach on!  I think we&#8217;re making a good effort at Simmons, but ultimately you&#8217;re right that 488 (at least the way it&#8217;s taught by some profs) can turn into a remedial class, not something that&#8217;s really going to teach anyone to push the technology envelope. </p>
<p>At one point Candy and I sat down and brainstormed a list of &#8220;techie skills librarians should know something about.&#8221; It was a long list (and could probably be pared down.) But it pointed to the number of things we don&#8217;t cover in a systematic way.</p>
<p>I think if you&#8217;re motivated you can get a pretty good technology background at Simmons &#8212; it&#8217;s just that not everyone is that motivated. Some people still come to library school (and I include my compatriots in the Archives program) with nostalgic visions of a computerless world &#8212;  they have dreams of living a monastic life amidst books and documents. But the fact is that to do a good job in today&#8217;s library world, you have to be good at tehcnology. (Just like you have to be good at dealing with people, managing conflict and change, etc.)</p>
<p>I also think you&#8217;re right about the ALA. For better or worse, I think it tends to have a very &#8220;public library, frontline service&#8221; approach that doesn&#8217;t emphasize systems management as a key part of librarianship. Sure banned books and freedom to read are important, but so is making sure librarians can still provide access to information when more and more of it is digital.</p>
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		<title>By: Conversants and more stuff about library school students &#171; Words For Nerds</title>
		<link>http://wordsfornerds.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/where-are-all-the-techies/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Conversants and more stuff about library school students &#171; Words For Nerds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] really teaching them (or at least they aren&#8217;t requiring they be learned). She makes the point I made last week that part of the blame also lies with library school students, and she argues that admissions [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] really teaching them (or at least they aren&#8217;t requiring they be learned). She makes the point I made last week that part of the blame also lies with library school students, and she argues that admissions [...]</p>
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		<title>By: iPC</title>
		<link>http://wordsfornerds.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/where-are-all-the-techies/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>iPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you. Librarians should know the basics of computer (programming to) especially in our increasingly technological age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you. Librarians should know the basics of computer (programming to) especially in our increasingly technological age.</p>
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		<title>By: ranti junus</title>
		<link>http://wordsfornerds.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/where-are-all-the-techies/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>ranti junus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Students who feel about not enough tech class to whet their tech appetite, IMHO, could either enroll in computer classes (if their school offers them) or at a local community college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Students who feel about not enough tech class to whet their tech appetite, IMHO, could either enroll in computer classes (if their school offers them) or at a local community college.</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. i couldn&#039;t agree more. great post.

my MLIS never even evaluates different OPACs, let alone require that you take anything more than the standard tech class (create databases using InMagic, evaluate Dialog vs Google). some advanced classes are offered, but those tend to have more of a records management focus.

and students who grumble about not being prepare for the &quot;real world&quot; need to take some responsibility for that.  this is your career people, not some shmo job. it&#039;s going to involve more than just going to class and getting a piece of paper - you&#039;re going to have to take some initiative. (i spend my spare time reading blogs and playing with a variety of different tech tools so that i won&#039;t be a totally useless employee tech-wise.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. i couldn&#8217;t agree more. great post.</p>
<p>my MLIS never even evaluates different OPACs, let alone require that you take anything more than the standard tech class (create databases using InMagic, evaluate Dialog vs Google). some advanced classes are offered, but those tend to have more of a records management focus.</p>
<p>and students who grumble about not being prepare for the &#8220;real world&#8221; need to take some responsibility for that.  this is your career people, not some shmo job. it&#8217;s going to involve more than just going to class and getting a piece of paper &#8211; you&#8217;re going to have to take some initiative. (i spend my spare time reading blogs and playing with a variety of different tech tools so that i won&#8217;t be a totally useless employee tech-wise.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea</title>
		<link>http://wordsfornerds.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/where-are-all-the-techies/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is hope, and despite my general grumbliness I try to be that hope when I&#039;m in the classroom. (With, I will say, at least some success.)

But the structures and mindset these hopeful newbies (of any age) are walking into are not propitiatory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is hope, and despite my general grumbliness I try to be that hope when I&#8217;m in the classroom. (With, I will say, at least some success.)</p>
<p>But the structures and mindset these hopeful newbies (of any age) are walking into are not propitiatory.</p>
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		<title>By: Bess Sadler</title>
		<link>http://wordsfornerds.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/where-are-all-the-techies/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Bess Sadler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>d&#039;oh! should read &quot;now that I know about you.&quot; &quot;know that I know about you&quot; sounds a little stalker-y. Sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d&#8217;oh! should read &#8220;now that I know about you.&#8221; &#8220;know that I know about you&#8221; sounds a little stalker-y. Sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: Bess Sadler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bess Sadler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dorothea and Laura, I agree with you on most points, but let&#039;s not paint with too wide a brush. I&#039;ve seen the library school students you&#039;re talking about, and $DEITY knows I attended a program that needs to pick up the pace with regards to technology, but I&#039;ve also seen cause for hope. When presented with opportunities for learning, I&#039;ve also seen many previously non-techie LIS students catch the spark and go onto careers as systems folks and repository rats (okay, that&#039;s twice now I&#039;ve borrowed from CavLec&#039;s vocabulary). 

The problem is also in the funding available to library schools, and in the crop of professors they have to draw from. The sad fact is that most people doing current (not even cutting edge! just current!) work at the intersection of libraries and technology can make much more money with much less hassle doing just about anything except teaching in a library school. 

I think I&#039;m approaching that line where a comment becomes its own blog post, so why don&#039;t I just go write that? Great blog, Laura K. I&#039;ll be a regular reader know that I know about you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dorothea and Laura, I agree with you on most points, but let&#8217;s not paint with too wide a brush. I&#8217;ve seen the library school students you&#8217;re talking about, and $DEITY knows I attended a program that needs to pick up the pace with regards to technology, but I&#8217;ve also seen cause for hope. When presented with opportunities for learning, I&#8217;ve also seen many previously non-techie LIS students catch the spark and go onto careers as systems folks and repository rats (okay, that&#8217;s twice now I&#8217;ve borrowed from CavLec&#8217;s vocabulary). </p>
<p>The problem is also in the funding available to library schools, and in the crop of professors they have to draw from. The sad fact is that most people doing current (not even cutting edge! just current!) work at the intersection of libraries and technology can make much more money with much less hassle doing just about anything except teaching in a library school. </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m approaching that line where a comment becomes its own blog post, so why don&#8217;t I just go write that? Great blog, Laura K. I&#8217;ll be a regular reader know that I know about you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right about library-school students. They won&#039;t take a single step to learn anything techie while they&#039;re in the program, and then they HOWL afterwards that they weren&#039;t prepared for the job market.

Takes two to tango, and the fault isn&#039;t entirely at library schools&#039; doors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right about library-school students. They won&#8217;t take a single step to learn anything techie while they&#8217;re in the program, and then they HOWL afterwards that they weren&#8217;t prepared for the job market.</p>
<p>Takes two to tango, and the fault isn&#8217;t entirely at library schools&#8217; doors.</p>
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